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| Ancestor Gateway Forum - STAMFORD MEMORIES GATEWAY (Lincolnshire England) used as PRIDE and PREJUDICE FILM SET | New Topic | Search |
| June |
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I remember the houses in Waverley Gardens being built. The road was set out in a curve. Before they were built that area was just rough scrub land with wild flowers etc growing there. We used to go through there as a shortcut. It seemed strange to see the houses rising from the ground and connecting the two sides of the town. Ed: Do you remember areas of the town being developed in the past? What was there before the new development? Let us know as many people will be unaware of previous use of land. |
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| Clem Walden |
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Many areas that once were "farms & greenbelt land" have been developed in Stamford. The Northfields area of Stamford has undergone so many changes:- Green Lane area that once was farmed by a Mr.Wooley, I remember the old pond at the bottom of green lane, fell in a couple of times (it may still be there) Holland road, Kesteven road, Masterton road, Lincoln road, were all open fields in the mid 40s. The only houses then in that area were those at the bottom end of Drift road. Brickyard Farm, & all the open fields, where we would play & take picnic's, have all been developed. Empingham road above the playing field, The Danish Invader & all the houses above & around that area are all new developments.Casterton road "The Old Hills & Hollows" (that was once a quarry) all developed, by Jellsons both sides, there were no houses after the Drum & Monkey, (perhaps just one I think?) Miles Woodyard & the old coal yard near the railway station. West Street area,Water street, Barnack road, Priory road, Ryhall road, Blackstones site, & many other areas? have been developed. Perhaps someone can remember more? The areas I have mentioned have all been developed since 1945. Population then was approx 9,000? today 21,000 approx. & another major housing development presently being constructed on the old Brickyard site (Williamson Cliff) Stamford is changing year by year. some for the good? but some that needed more thought? |
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| Roger |
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Lived in Reform St in 50s. End of street was allotments then fields, fields, fields. Now you'd have to walk for almost a mile before you came to fields again. |
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| Clem Walden |
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When you lived in Reform street, you will remember "Flanders Nursery's" & "Power Farming" all houses now, I believe you even had a small shop/post office in the area, is it still there? I am unable to remember who was the owner? perhaps you may be able to tell me? I can remember Colin Downs living in Reform street, I would pick him up to go fishing, & go in the back lane way, I seem to remember the Reform street houses had large back gardens? perhaps they still have? not been in the area for a few years, but do call at the "Drum & Monkey" some time's for a pint or two, entering via the Casterton road. |
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| Andy Matthews |
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Well Clem, I can remember the Post Office on Torkington Street if that's the one you are referring to. The owner for many years was Wilf Clare ( I hope I've spelt his name correctly) and I can remember going there many times with my mum during the late 1960's. I am sure he was still there until the 1980's. I collected coins for a while when I was a lad and I remember Wilf saving me some old sixpences for my collection which I thought was very nice of him - I've actually still got them somewhere. I also remember Power Farming and the land belonging to Flanders' Nurseries before Vence Close was built. There were pale blue spiky railings all along the side of the path by the nurseries and Power Farming. I also remember just up from the Drum and Monkey you could look down a steep bankside and see a collection of bee hives - these probably disappeared when Foxdale was built. Regarding the houses in Waverley Gardens, my dad is sure they began construction in 1958, the first houses being at the Little Casterton Road end and working through to the Casterton Road end. Mum and Dad now live in Waverley Place and their deeds state that their house was first occupied in spring 1959. I think Waverley Gardens was finally completed in early 1960. Dad remembers the builders being a company called Sturtons. By the way, Clem is my Uncle and when we meet up we can talk for hours with do you remember this and do you remember that?? It's just fascinating looking back at Stamford's past and seeing all the changes through the years. |
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| Clem Walden |
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Andrew, you have the correct shop, Torkington Street, not Reform street, I did not remember the owners, thanks for that, dad is correct about Waverley Gardens 1958, the builders were "Stirton Partners" the owner was a Grundy, who was your aunty Pams relative Pamela's mother was a Grundy her father was the brother of the owner "Stirton Partners" they were a very large company & operated from premises on Little Casterton road, if fact just round the corner from Waverley Gardens, did a few contracts for them before they packed up. |
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| Roger |
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Clem, Andrew is spot on with his recollections about Reform St/Torkington St. Wilf Clare's shop became a hairdressing salon in 1980s(?). Power Farming bought a part of Flanders Nurseries to build showroom in late 50s and used piece of land on corner Reform St/Torkington St to store redundant farm machinery. Oddly this was next door to where one of the Musgrove Haulage family (Ralph) lived. Knew Colin Downs as he parked his cars (Ford Anglia, then Consul) in our garage until 1958. He bought house opposite ours, a few doors from his parents. |
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| Clem Walden |
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Roger thanks for confirming Andrews info, & also reminding me of Power Farming, I well remember Power Farming using that small area of land for storage, also remember the new showroom, did a lot of work for Power Farming 1970-1987 (Ron Philips & Tom Sharpe) were the owners, believe their son's John Philips & Peter Sharpe took over after their fathers retired. am I right in stating Richard Dunn (of Harrison & Dunn) had a bungalow built to the left of Power Farmings storage area? (left as you look up from Torkington Street) unable to remember the date the bungalow was built, perhaps you or Andrew may remember? |
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| Roger |
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Clem, the bungalow was built in part of garden of Ralph Musgrove's house, we had moved from Reform St long before it was built but I think it may have been in the 70s. Don't know who lived in it, but I know one of the Dunns had large bungalow built in part of garden of "The Hermitage" in Empingham Road in 60s. Was Tom Sharpe the same or related to T Sharpe who owned Wheatleys and Farrows? From what I recall Power Farming changed direction a bit in the 80s and moved away from tractors and combines into selling more specialised farm machinery. |
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| tim musgrove |
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regarding power farming strorage area and the bungalow next door to it the land where the bungalow is was part of the land with house that my uncle ralph musgrove lived in no 15 torkington street it was owned by the musgrove family originally purchased by my great grandmother during the war for £525 the land was sold in the early 70's to brian jackson builder Kate: Yes this was Brian Jackson of Colbrave Construction. He lived in the bungalow for several years. The house at the end which you mention Tim, was I think the home of Mrs Glenn and if you look at the postings on the site about 3 from the bottom is one about Mrs. Glenn's pear tree which was on the end wall of the house and spread over the whole wall. I suppose Mrs. Glenn was your great grandmother? The field next to her garden used to have a couple of static caravans pitched on it. There were also a couple of "allotments". One was, I think owned by Mr Joey Tyler who lived about 2 doors away from Wilf's shop. |
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| tim Musgrove |
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she was not my grandmother no 15 is on the corner of torkington and reform street so may you thinking about another house at the end Florence musgrove purchased it when my great grandfather robert died it was sold when the east station was sold as it was part of the family hauage company property it was purchased and ownerd by a family member up and till about ten years ago, steven musgrove one of ralphs sons Kate: Sorry about that Tim. Anyone out there remember Florence Musgrove at No. 15? |
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| Roger |
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Kate, the "static caravans" were a converted single deck bus and (I think) a converted van, both used as full time living accom. Mr Tyler did have the allotment "next door" which also had a couple of garages on it. He had a brother who lived close by in Zebra Cottages. Both had black Morris 8 Series E cars (my father also had one for about 9 months at the same time). Tim, remember your Uncle Ralph well. Often watched him manoeuvring a 1959/60 8 wheel ERF bulk tipper on the Reform St/Torkington St corner on to his drive. Unusually although it was signwritten with the H E Musgrove logo on the cab doors, the truck was painted in Ketton Cement colours with "Ketton Cement" written on tipper sides and tailboard. |
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| Clem Walden |
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Roger, not sure about "Wheatley's & Farrows" but Tom Sharpe of Power Farming was involled with the old "Motors & Tractors" Barnack road, so was Ron Philips I believe. However Richard Dunn who married a Kay Willcox lived in the Bungalow to the left hand side of Power Farmings storage yard (left looking up from the back of the Drum & Monkey, it may well have been Musgroves land, that they may have sold, & Colebrave Constuction may have built the bungalow? Whatever, Richard Dunn of Harrisons & Dunns lived there. |
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| Roger |
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Clem, I'm certain you, Kate and I are all talking about the same bungalow, as the one I'm referring to is exactly where you say it is. I do remember my father saying he understood there was a connection between Motors and Tractors and Power Farming, but either didn't know or say what it was. Kate, there was a Mrs Glenn who lived in Zebra Cottages and when Wilf Clare moved into his late father's bungalow in Casterton Road, Mrs Glenn and family moved into the living accom at Wilf's shop. I have a very vague recollection that there was another Mrs Glenn in Torkington St in the 1950s, but I may be wrong. Kate: Yes Roger, I think they are 2 different "Mrs Glenns". The one you refer to was Roland Glenn's wife and they lived at the shop end of Zebra Cottages. |
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| Andy Matthews |
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The bungalow at the top of Torkington Street was owned and I believe first occupied by Richard Dunn of Harrison and Dunns. It was built during the mid 1970's. The bungalow next to the Hermitage on Empingham Road was owned by Richard Dunn's parents. |
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| Roger |
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Clem, I recall when at Bluecoat School in late 50s, there was a teacher called Mrs Grundy, although I was never in her class. Was she any relation of the Grundys of Stirton Ptnrs or just another name coincidence? |
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| Clem Walden |
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Mrs Grundy teacher, could be wife or daughter of Wilf Grundy "Stirton Partners" but not sure? How old was she when you was at the "Bluecoat"? also are you refering to the "Bluecoat" that is now the "masonic centre" at the top of St Peters street just below the old YMCA? Wilf Grundy of "Stirton Partners" lived in Casterton Rd, with his wife & two daughters in the early 50's they moved to Thornhaugh about 1959 My wife was living in Collyweston then & is not sure about a "Grundy teacher" although her grandfather was the brother of Wilf Grundy both were in business Wilf had "Stirton Partners" & his brother the wifes grandfather, had a Leather shop in St Mary's street Stamford at the time. However if you can give me the info re:-Grundy teachers age, & confirm which Bluecoat school, (as the Bluecoat moved to green lane) at some stage, I will do some research with the wifes older brother & try to confirm your question re:-the "teacher" Mrs Grundy. |
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| Clem Walden |
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Roger, need to make a correction? (sorry) my wifes grandfather was the brother of "wilf Grundy's father" (not Wilf Grundy's brother) However having checked with the wifes older brother I can confirm it was "Wilf Grundy's" wife "Mrs Grundy" who was the school teacher. I still need you to confirm which "Bluecoat School" you are refering to? & what age you think Mrs Grundy was? at the time you were at the Bluecoat? Just to confirm the correct facts:- Wilf Grundy of "Stirton Partners" was the nephew of my wifes grandfather, & it was Wilf's father "who was my wifes grandfathers brother" who had the Leather & saddle shop in St Marys street Stamford. hope this helps. |
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| Andy Matthews |
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Clem, Roger must be referring to the Bluecoat School in St Peter's Hill if he is talking about the late 1950's. I know this must be correct as when I started school in September 1968, Bluecoat were still using the school in St Peter's Street but also had the Old St Michael's School at the bottom of Recreation Ground Road and some classes were in the Chapel which is located in Alma Place (basically, it was split between 3 sites). However, as the Autumn Term began in September 1969 I moved up to the new Bluecoat School in Green Lane and I was one of the first pupils to occupy the new school when it opened. I believe at this point in 1969 that the St Peter's Hill buildings ceased to be used as a school and later became the Masonic Society's HQ in Stamford. Kate: Hello Andy. I think the St Peter's Hill "Bluecoat" building was used as the starter building for Malcolm Sargeant School (with about 3 or 4 small classes) in around 1973/4 or 5? Under the Headship of Paul Knight while the new School was built in Empingham Road. |
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| Roger |
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Clem, yes I was at St Peter's Hill/All Saints St Bluecoat, although Mrs Grundy taught at the "annex", which was Barn Hill Methodist Church Hall, at rear of church, the school used the main hall room as 1 classrm and another room where Mrs G taught. It was 50 yrs ago, so difficult for me to be sure of her age, but probably 40s, maybe even 50s. |
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| Clem Walden |
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Andy, was not aware the "Old Bluecoat" in St Peters street was still being used in 1968, thanks for that info " in that case I do believe the Mrs Grundy who Roger mentions was "Wilf Grundy's" wife. As you may well be aware I left the "Bluecoat School" in 1949 to go to St Michael's Mr Walker who was at the old "Bluecoat School" when I was there gave me & many old school friends shoulder rides. I do believe this shoulder ride practice continued for many years? did you or any of your school friends ever receive a shoulder ride of good old "Johny Walker" what a great guy & teacher he was. |
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| Roger |
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Clem, I started at the Bluecoat in 1957 and although I remember Mr Walker, don't remember him giving shoulder rides. |
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| Clem Walden |
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Roger, I feel sure the Mrs Grundy you mention was "Wilf Grundy's wife. |
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| betty bradshaw |
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Hi Clem Mrs Grundy lived in Little Casterton Road opposite the Walnut trees and had two daughters the eldest being Elizabeth. She would have been about 40-45 when teaching at the Bluecoat School. Allan Chiverton could fill you in more because he used to go to the house. |
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